Select Highlights of the Interview with Rahul from India
EB-5 Investor in the EB5AN Twin Lakes Rural EB-5 Project
When we started talking to Anahita about backlogged visa categories and rural getting 20% set aside, that basically was one of the main reasons why we said, “Okay, it is worth taking that risk in a rural project.”
On top of that, when we learned more about the Twin Lakes project after speaking with you and doing our due diligence, we felt that the risk was completely minimal, if non-existent. That’s when we went ahead with the Twin Lakes.
The brand name associated with the Twin Lakes project was a big yes for us. When you hear about Kolter and the amount of undertakings they’ve had and their decades-long track record of completing successful projects—never defaulting on a loan or any sort of funding for that matter—that was a big, big thing for us.
You never said, “Invest with us, otherwise I’m going to withhold all this information.” You were ready to present the information, and it wasn’t just about your projects, it was, “If you invest with us or through anybody else, these are the things you need to keep in mind.” And number two, looking at your track record, your pedigree, obviously those things are important to my wife and I—the infrastructure that you’ve put together. You can tell that you have a team of great individuals that are constantly working on getting things done.
Full Interview with Rahul
EB-5 Investor in the EB5AN Twin Lakes Rural EB-5 Project
Transcript of the Interview with Rahul from India
Hi everyone, this is Sam Silverman, managing partner of EB5AN. Thank you for taking the time to join us today. Today, we're doing an EB-5 investor interview with Rahul, one of our Indian EB-5 clients who recently invested in our Twin Lakes rural EB-5 investment project.
Tell us a little bit about yourself, how you came to the United States originally, and what you’ve been doing in the United States before deciding to explore making an EB-5 investment.
As for choosing an EB-5 investment route, I felt that it would provide my family and me with some certainty—especially with India being one of the two backlogged countries for employment-based visas in the various categories (except for EB-1, but I believe that’s also now backlogged). We felt that it would provide us with a little more flexibility and certainty regarding our lives in the U.S.
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Were there other visa options that you considered other than EB-5, or was EB-5 the only one that really fit what you were looking for?
Why Invest in EB5AN’s Twin Lakes Rural Project?
Tell us a little bit about how you became familiar with EB-5. Did you hear about that from a friend years ago, you were following it, and then you saw the rules change? How did you go from knowing nothing about EB-5 to deciding to explore making an investment?
That conversation was the first time that we thought of EB-5 as being a legitimate choice, or a legitimate path or us to take. That’s how it all started.
Concluding Advice for Investors
When was that? And after that decision to pursue the program as a viable option, what were your next steps? What did you do after that?
So, my wife and I sat down together and we said, “Okay, let’s look at what our financial situation looks like.” From there, we started looking at different projects. We also thought of doing something of our own— direct EB-5 projects were definitely something that we thought about—hotel construction or things of that nature. But then we came back to EB-5 rural, and that’s what we ended up investing in.
Before you started a lot of the research on the projects, how was your experience finding an EB-5 immigration attorney? What did that process look like? How many attorneys did you talk to? Obviously, you had done some research on source of funds requirements before that, but tell us about your experience going through that process.
How was that experience? Once you hired the attorney, what did that process look like? How much work was it? And how long did it take to get all those documents and records together?
As for the timeline, I believe we were able to wrap up everything from retaining her to actually filing everything in about two and a half months. I think it was right around 60 days when we were able to get everything wrapped up and filed.
Having just gone through that process pretty recently, what advice would you have for someone considering EB-5 with respect to hiring an immigration attorney? What do you think are the most important questions to ask and things to look for when picking an attorney?
Number three, going back to communication, how available are they to you? I know people who have been laid off. I know a couple of them really well, firsthand. These people went through EB-5, and they weren’t able to get their filing done in a timely manner, mainly because the attorney and their law firm weren’t available to them at all times. So that was a big factor for us. The best part is that both Nick and Anahita are so analytical. I believe Anahita even has experience as a tax attorney, so the understanding of numbers and how we could communicate to arrive at that source of funds document was very important to us.
I think these are the four or five. Communication was such a huge thing to me because I was traveling a lot, and they would still get back to me, sometimes even on weekends. That was a big factor for us.
On the other side, you mentioned you talked to three different attorneys. What was it about the other two that made you feel less comfortable compared with Anahita?
The two of them were very big law firm types, and I felt that I would just not get that customized, personal attention that I would need given the uncertainty, getting that kind of money, putting together things of that nature. The third law firm was just not ready. Maybe they had taken too many clients compared to how much they could actually work on. Their bandwidth was so tied that setting up a call took four weeks or three weeks, and that’s not something that we felt comfortable with.
Whereas with Anahita, I remember I was driving and she quickly answered, and we started chatting.
We’ll shift gears a bit now and chat more about the projects. Source of funds, path of funds—that’s one large piece of the puzzle. The other major piece is what project you invest in. Then, with that, what regional center is that project going to be affiliated with? So, before we jump into specific projects, tell us what your mindset was and how you went about looking for potential projects and regional centers. What was important to you at the beginning, and as you saw more and more projects, what became more important to you as you got more comfortable with this space?
So, we were looking at that and then Anahita said, “Okay, there could be.” Anahita cleared all our doubts. When I was looking at EB-5 rural [projects], Twin Lakes being one of them, I wanted to make sure that we worked with a project that was sponsored by—or that was basically brought into the market by—a large, successful developer. And then, when we started talking to Anahita about backlogged visa categories and rural getting 20% set aside, that basically was one of the main reasons why we said, “Okay, it is worth taking that risk in a rural project.”
On top of that, when we learned more about the Twin Lakes project after speaking with you and doing our due diligence, we felt that the risk was completely minimal, if non-existent. That’s when we went ahead with the Twin Lakes.
To summarize, it sounds like you were really focused on rural going in. And from that perspective, once you knew, “ Okay, I definitely want to be in a rural project for the faster processing, the larger visa set aside“ (because you’re from a country where there have been backlogs in the other visa categories historically)—what were some aspects of the Twin Lakes project compared to some of the other rural projects that you looked at that made you feel more comfortable with Twin Lakes?
Number two, is the track record of sales within the Twin Lakes project. When I signed up with EB5AN, we were getting periodic reports of different projects, and Twin Lakes was one of them. I was looking at how they were constantly selling and getting bookings for their houses. That was number two. Number three, speaking with you and Anahita on numerous occasions, we got a sense of confidence that “Okay, these professionals have been in their respective areas of expertise for a number of years. And if they are talking so highly of this project, there must be some merit to the spiel.” It wasn’t just a sales pitch at that point.
I think these three points were determining— and then EB-5 rural, it being a rural project that’s ready to be invested in so that we could get our EB-5 petition. That was a determining factor as well.
From the immigration side: the project is really large, there’s a lot of jobs created and a lot more that are going to be created over the next few years. How important was job creation in your decision, and how did that differ from some of the other projects you looked at?
The project is one thing, but the regional center is also very important in the big picture. From that perspective, what was it like working with our team, and why did you feel comfortable with EB5AN fulfilling that regional center role compared with some of the other larger regional centers that you were considering?
Well, thank you. I personally appreciate that, and that’s one of our core foundational values. We want to make sure all the available information’s provided and everything’s transparent, and from that all of our investors can make a fully informed decision, whether it’s us or someone else. I think that’s absolutely critical, it’s something that needs to happen.
To summarize, having now gone through the source of funds, gotten your application in, done adjustment of status, and all of that—if you were having lunch with another friend now, what are some of the major pieces of advice you would share with someone like yourself who is considering an EB-5 investment?
Number three would be a firm like EB5AN that would help you find a list of options that you could invest in. Then, take one project at a time and carry out due diligence on each of those respective projects. Now, that happens later on. But if somebody wants to invest in any type of project, I feel these three things are important. Knowing that you have your family’s support is going to go a long way because there will be conversations, and you’ll be second-guessing yourself because it’s a large amount. Then, an attorney that is always helpful and an EB5AN-type of team that’s there for you would be huge as well.
To circle back quickly to the project: if you were advising someone when looking at Twin Lakes or any other project, other than it being rural, what are a couple of the major things that you feel are most important to look for in a potential EB-5 project?
Yes, there’s a separate bank loan, correct. Separate from EB-5 financing.
Exactly. The way we like to position that is that this project’s already feasible from a basic economic perspective. There are sales happening, revenues being generated, the deals are already profitable, and there’s third-party, truly independent institutional lending. Two banks have underwritten the project: Wells Fargo and Third Coast Bank have underwritten the project, loaned millions of dollars. Those are really important things that we’re looking for when we consider a potential project.
Yes, exactly. Because unfortunately, in some other projects, whether a large hotel or a large apartment complex or something, no revenue can be realized for years in the future. It’s very hard to determine how well this is going to rent or be occupied when it’s done years into the future; it’s very hard to be able to accurately predict that. But if you have sales today that are happening and you can feasibly point to those sales as, “Hey, this business is making sense today,“ it’s much easier to get comfortable with that versus a lot of assumptions that may or may not happen years into the future.
One thing not to do is to talk to a lot of people and go on different forums and start thinking about like, “What if a project goes south or something?” In this sense and anything immigration-related, I have a best practice: ignorance is bliss. Sometimes, when you start talking to a lot of people and people with zero understanding or knowledge of EB-5, they start bombarding you with negative information. That will just make it extremely difficult to find a project and really have the conviction about the project or with an attorney’s team, or things of that nature.